The Lonesome Gods

I finally signed up! I have been reading like crazy! This book did not sound interesting at all! But I read it and have to admit, I very much liked it.
I want to go through it again and write down certain phrases that were very thought provoking.
Anyone else read this one yet?

The ending

I have heard a number of comments about how the ending was too abrupt, and left too many things unresolved, or poorly resolved. I felt the same way when I was done, so I decided to look into it. I came across a story, which may or may not have been true.

Apparently, Louis wrote this story the way he wanted it to be, and his publisher told him it was too long, that the company had a policy of not publishing anything beyond a specific length. Louis argued that the story would be incomplete at that length, etc. and back and forth for more than a year. Finally, Louis had an idea. He went to the exact length allowed, wrote two pages to end things, and turned it in, hoping to prove that the story couldn't be told that way, and that the longer version was infinitely better. Unfortunately, his subtle approach went beyond the publisher, who immediately approved the shorter version for publication.

Louis L'Amour didn't argue with him, but did find a new publisher for future works.

I also collected quotes from this work. Here is my list:

"Yes, son, we could [fight], but fightin's something you do when you've tried everything else." - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

He who ceases to learn is already a half-dead man. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

Do not be like an oyster who rests on the sea bottom and waits for the good things to come by. Search for them, find them. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

One does not need education to be intelligent. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

"Do you believe it, Papa?" "I have never seen such a thing happen, Hannes. My reason tells me it could not happen, but my reason can only judge by what I know, and I do not know everything." - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

"Knowledge isn't a lasting thing. Not unless it's writ down in a good many places. People die, and what they learned often dies with them. Whole races of folks that once lived are gone, and what they knew we'll not be able to guess at." - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

Many a man has done well with no more of an education than what he can have by reading. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

Shakespeare was the only poet who wrote like he'd been raised on red meat. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

"Hannes, we know so little. Our world is far stranger than anyone has guessed. We know a little and scoff at much we do not understand, but the Indians are either a simpler people or one far more complex who merely seem simple." - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

"The one thing we know, Hannes, is that nothing remains the same. Things are forever changing, and one must understand the changes and change with them, or be lost by the way." - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

To succeed as a human being is not always the same as succeeding in your life's work, although they can go hand in hand. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

"Some people only learn by reading, others by doing or seeing, some by hearing. Learn however you can, but learn!" - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

"You can become bigger, stronger, better than your enemies. You can defeat them by outreaching them, by becoming a more important man, but also by becoming a better one." - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

"All life is based on decisions. Decide now on what you'd like to become and what you would like to do. The two are not necessarily the same, although sometimes they can be." - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

"Actually, all education is self-education. A teacher is only a guide, to point out the way, and no school, no matter how excellent, can give you an education. What you receive is the outlines in a child's coloring book. You must fill in the colors yourself." - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

"Neither age nor size makes a man, Johannes. It is willingness to accept responsibility." - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

Knowledge is awareness, and to it there are many paths, not all of them paved with logic. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

...we who pass do not own this land, we but use it, we hold it briefly in trust for those yet to come. We must not reap without seeding, we must not take from the earth without replacing. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

He who sits at a desk and tries to understand by logic often loses touch with the realities. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

Much can be learned from books, but much remains about which no book has been written. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

There is no greater role for a man to play than to assist in the government of a people, nor anyone lower than he who misuses that power. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

...if men are to survive upon the earth there must be law, and there must be justice, and all men must stand together against all those who would strike against what men have so carefully built. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

We have hedged ourselves about with law, for we know that if man is to survive it must be through cooperative effort. - The Lonesome Gods, Louis L'Amour

All in all, a great book in my opinion!

I found the story compelling,

I found the story compelling, and there were some very profound quotes in the book, however, I really didn't like the ending. To me, it seemed like a major theme in the book was that J. would find something in the desert, that there was something waiting for him. What is it that he discovers about himself/others? What was the point of the epic journey?

He decides at one point in his journey that enough is enough and he would now become the hunter of his enemies. He never acts on this, just gets on his horse and goes back to LA, and all of a sudden all of his enemies appear at one time?

I also found the whole Alfredo twist to be odd. What did Alfredo represent? What was his purpose in the story? I thought there were a ton of extraneous characters that really had no function but to take up space, like Alexis Murchison, for example.

I thought Meghan was silly and foolish, and didn't think she necessarily deserved J.

I guess I was disappointed that I spent so much time reading it with great expectation, and then nothing really tied together in the end. Maybe I need to read it again?

I recently finished reading

I recently finished reading this book to my husband, and we both thought it was great! A couple of things I liked, that haven't been mentioned...

I think there is a great lesson in the folly of Don Federico. He wastes his entire life going after this fortune that he has no right to. Elena finally tells him that he should make something of himself, even if he has nothing. The best fortunes aren't inherited, they are created by yourself. Besides, wealth isn't going to make you happy, and that is a lesson that Don Federico never understood. Johannes, of course does, and that is part of what makes him such a good man. He says "Great wealth had never been one of my ambitions. It was more important for me to become a good human being, and to learn, for there was so much to learn..."

Another thing I appreciated was when Johannes explained that reading had helped him to understand his grandfather. "Even when I disapproved of what my grandfather had done, I could understand him. It made his crimes no less, but left me with a clearer view." I have found this same experience through reading. Reading classics, especially, gives me a better understanding of the people around me and why they might make the choices they do. Even if I don't agree with what they are doing, I can usually find a way to understand.

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Hi!

I have been trying to finish or rather get started with this book for a little over a year now. I am on chapter 24 (I have made it my personal mission to get this book read before the middle of the year - cause it's gone on long enough) and it just seems sooooo slow. I have to agree that there are a number of quotes that are vrey profound - deep. And I have them marked - I will post them later. However, it is a boring book! Please tell me it gets better!

OK. I'm done whining now :-(

Alice

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I loved this book. I kept thinking on J. and how he read books and learned from them. Not only did he learn but he applied his learning in his life. He really didn't need others approval. He was comfortable in his own skin. This is an area in my life that I need to really work on. I worry to much about what other people think.

I definately will read this book again. Only this time to my dc. Hope it will spark some fun discussions.

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I'm new here, and just finishing LG for the 2nd time. I love it! What I really love is how I have learned so much from reading it the 2nd time. Johannes is the man! Responsible, learned, true to himself, and loyal to his friends. So many references to education in this, it's a perfect book to read for people just starting out with TJed.

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I have to agree with you. J. applies much of what he has learned through reading and simple observation to his life - to what he knows and builds upon that. I think that it a solid method for learning and navigating one's way through life. But how many of us slow down enough to actually apply what we have learned to what we already know? I know that I am guilty of this and many times only see in hindsight what I should have thought, said, or done. I think history err's this way as well. I am only on Chapter 28 - this book is slow going for me. Actually out of the 1st pillar books, this has been the most challenging for me to read.

I said I was going to post some quotes that I found interesting/deep - and then promptly forgot! I'll list 2 for now, because I have to get dinner started.

p. 60 - "I have never seen such a thing happen, Hannes. My reason tells me it could not happen, but my reason can only judge by what I know, and I do not know everything."

This quote is interesting. It tells me that we can only make judgements based on our current knowledge. But that is not the end of learning. An increase in knowledge and understanding is inherent to logical reasoning and critical thinking.

p. 77 - "...But read. There are books here, read them, all of them. Find others. Many a man has done well with no more of an educationthan what he can have by reading."

Isn't that what we are doing here? Learning to read and reading to learn?

OK - more thoughts later!

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This was my first official classic from the list. I'd never read a Louis L'Armour. Didn't think I ever would. Of course I loved it. My best friend is reading it now. I do plan on reading it again in a couple of years. I really thought it was a classic!

One thing that stuck out to me that hasn't been mentioned was how Johannes father and mother raised him. What they expected out of him, what they gave him, etc. They had such a rich relationship with each other. I've thought and thought about this and how/what I can apply to my life as a mother. I still can't stop thinking how profound it was.

The only thing I didn't like about the book was how it ended. I would have liked just one more chapter to tie everyone back together. But I guess we need to ask ourselves what we would do/can we do with our present relationships. How will the book end in our own lives...

Time to go finish Christmas preparations...

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Louis L'Amour was my father's favorite author. As a child, I remember him being engrossed in one of his many novels. I too felt Westerns weren't for me, but I did enjoy this book.

I was able to give my father a quote from the book about second ammendment rights that L'Amour just put so plainly and well. He now uses it for his email signature line!

I liked the idea that J. was whole because he did not need other people, yet he chose them to be his companions. I kind of feel like I would be a more whole person if I could get what other people think out of my system (and worries), and stand confident alone, and then choose to be with others... I am much better at this than I was, but I still have much growth in this area.

Anyway, I personally did not find this to be a book I would like to read over and over, but I was so pleasantly surprised at the richness and depth of this book.

Erin

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I was very leery about reading a "Western" novel-- and Louis L'Amour at that! But I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Johannes has so many wonderful mentors in his life, that it made me look again at the people who have influenced me for good. This book really *is* a Classic!

As a side note, I loved reading about Johannes' appreciation of the desert. I live in Arizona, and I must admit that at times, the desert seems anything BUT beautiful! :p After reading Johannes' perspective on the matter, I tried to see the beauty where I live, and did find it! :D [I'll try to find his quote about the beauty of the desert, and post it in the next few days. I really should needle-point the quote on a pillow, since we're here for the long haul! ;^) ]